André ([info]n_true) wrote,
@ 2008-06-05 23:41:00
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When the inventor of Klingon came to Leipzig
LeipzigDaq ghaHpu' Marc Okrand'e', tlhIngan Hol 'oghwI', 'ej nItebHa' 'uQ wISoppu'! :)
In English, this means: "Marc Okrand, the inventor of the Klingon language was in Leipzig, and we had dinner together!"

About two weeks ago, Tina told me that Sabine Fiedler – an Anglistics professor who is also well-known for her work on Esperanto and in Interlinguistics in general – invited Marc Okrand to Leipzig. Marc Okrand is the inventor of the Klingon language and himself a linguist. So on Tuesday last week he came to Leipzig to have a little talk titled "Linguistics and Science Fiction: An Introduction to Klingon" at the Dresdner Bank.
Of course I was there, and so were Tina, Helen, Mrs. Fiedler, Sven S., Conny, Raik, janwoJan W., Thogo and many more people. The room was full, so I guess we must've been about 50 to 60 people, one was dressed up in a Starfleet uniform (ST8 style).
And there he came! He was introduced by Mrs. Fiedler and looks very nervous at first, having shaky hands. His talk was great, very informative and really funny. He didn't talk about the language itself that much, but instead explained how he was called up by Paramount Pictures one day and how he subsequently created the Klingon language and how it changed over time and all the hardships he had to go through in the process of devising phonology, grammar and vocabulary for this language who had to sound alien and guttural. Before his career with constructed languages (he also created dialogs for the Vulcan in ST3 and also invented the Atlantean language for that Disney movie), he worked on Amerindian languages of California, specifically on Mutsun, an extinct dialect of Southern Ohlone (Penutian language family). Nowadays, he works for a closed captioning company, mainly on subtitles for the hearing impaired.
But back to Klingon. I took notes of the most interesting and surprising facts he talked about:


  • He intented to make the language alien and strange, so he intentionally violated some language universals and made the language appear quite untypical for this very planet (aka Earth).

  • The instruction in the script said, it had to sound guttural. Okrand avoided the phonemes /s/ and /k/, as they are stereotypically associated with the bad guys in various Sci-Fi movies... he's absolutely right, think about it! Klingon names themselves often start with a <K> in their English transcription: Kahless, Kahlest, Kang, Koloth, Kor, K'mpec, "Klingon" itself... — he chose to have a voiceless aspirated uvular plosive (/qʰ/) for those names, plus, a voiceless alveolo-lateral affricate (/tɬ/) for the words starting with <kl>.

  • The reason for the capital letters was not to make it look more alien, but – indeed as I was always thinking – to mark the sounds which are foreign to English or pronounced differently than the Standard Average American™ might expect.

  • The language actually evolved! Whenever an actor made a mistake which still was within the limits of the Klingon phonotactics, Mark Okrand changed what he had written down instead of telling the actor to repeat it correctly. Sometimes, he changed the meaning of entire sentences, when the studios suddenly decided that something Klingon had to mean something else. Really weird. I wish Chinese would adapt to my mistakes!

  • Quite often in the movies, Klingons were recorded saying things like "Animal!", where the producers later decided that they should be speaking Klingon and not English! Easy thing. Okrand just made up a translation that matched the lip movements and had that particular scene dubbed by the actor. In this case, animal became "Ha'DIbaH".

  • From ST5 on, the book was already produced and then he had to follow his own book. Otherwise fans owning the Klingon Dictionary (like me) might've pointed out errors easily.

  • Some guy named D'Armond Spears once raised his child bilingually in English and Klingon, the latter of which the child ceased to speak later on. The baby's first word in Klingon was, according to Mark Okrand, "Qo'!", in English: "No." By the way, he's 13 or 14 years old and he's fine!

  • Raik asked him if he'd ever grow tired of talking about Klingon or being asked to translate this and that for the show or attending Star Trek conventions. "No, never!" was his answer.



After his talk and after some of us got autographs and photos with Mr. Okrand, Raik invited him and some of us to a café nearby. There we had some drinks, some food and talked about a lot of things related to linguistics, Mark Okrand, Leipzig, America, food. It was such a great evening! And, to prove my encounter with the great Mark Okrand, here's the photo of us two:


By the way, the autograph he wrote into my dictionary, was:
"To André — tlhIngan wo' jupna'. not yIjegh. Qapla'! Marc Okrand" :D



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majQa'!
[info]fiat_knox
2008-06-05 11:32 pm UTC (link)
That makes two photos of my heroes I've seen this week, the other being that of Marc W Miller, creator of the SF roleplaying game Traveller.

qatlho'

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[info]ralesk
2008-06-06 12:49 am UTC (link)
Awesome :) congratulations on meeting him!

I once saw an interview or presentation of sorts with him on youtube or google video — about Klingon of course. It was quite fun to listen to, and he explained some of those points you noted there as well.

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[info]klingonguy
2008-06-06 12:31 pm UTC (link)
What a great treat. Marc is the nicest person I have ever met. This remains true, year after year.

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[info]sonjaaa
2008-06-11 11:11 pm UTC (link)
Sal sal. Mi perdis la retadreson de Germano, kiu kontaktis min antau 2 semajnoj pri Tokipono. Li loghis en eta urbo, kie estas NATO-ekzercejo kaj ankau tre antikvaj shtonoj. Bv redoni al mi lian retadreson, mi petas. Vi povas sendi rekte al sonja@kisa.ca por gardi lian privatecon.

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[info]sonjaaa
2008-06-11 11:13 pm UTC (link)
Traduku ghin!

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[info]n_true
2008-06-12 11:55 pm UTC (link)
La traduku estas: Al André — Vera amiko de la klingona imperio. Neniam rezignu. Sukceso! Marc Okrand

Ege mojose, chu ne? =)

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[info]sonjaaa
2008-06-12 11:56 pm UTC (link)
Brile!!

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Klingon and Linguistics
[info]keran_shadlag
2008-11-01 09:20 pm UTC (link)
Es tut mir leid das meines Deutsch ist nicht so gut.

Guten Tag! Ich weisse nicht ob du kann neue Commenten sehen, aber ich werde schreiben anyway. Es ist sehr toll dass du habt Herr-Doktor Okrand kennen-wissen. Ich habe das fur zwei Jahren wollen.

Er actualisch macht vielen kleine Sprachen fur Kino und Advertisementen und Video Gamen. Aber Klingon is der meisten grosse von alles.

Mich, ich bin ein Student der Linguistik. Ich auch habe die Atlantean Sprache des Okrand ge-discipher(es war fur Disney's Atlantis The Lost Empire, 2001). Es war von Proto-Indo-Europanisch und anderes alter Sprachen. Ich studiere Alte Schriften mit Bilder fur Characters (wie Agyptishen Hieroglyphik order Shang Chinesisch). Aber, ich interessiere mich fur vielen Alte Sprachen, Leute, und Kultur von uber das Weld.

Again, es tut mir leid. Ich habe nicht Zeit fur zu machen ein sehr gute Post auf Deutsch. Danke fur deine Verstehen. :)

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Re: Klingon and Linguistics
[info]n_true
2008-11-02 12:59 am UTC (link)
Hallo, danke für dein Posting! =)

Natürlich kannst du mir auch auf Englisch schreiben. Oder auf Klingonisch. ;)

Ich interessiere mich auch sehr für Schriften, habe sehr viele von ihnen gelernt. Auch alte Sprachen finde ich interessant. Da ich neben Linguistik auch Chinesisch (Sinologie) studiere, habe ich auch klassisches Chinesisch gelernt — das mag ich sogar viel mehr als modernes Chinesisch. Mit ägyptischen Hieroglyphen habe ich mich auch mal beschäftigt.

Viele Grüße aus Leipzig,
- André

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